Ukraine war thread
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Background on the envoy: Steve Witkoff, a real estate developer and long-time associate of Donald Trump, was tasked with peace negotiations (1:00 - 1:10). The video highlights controversy surrounding Witkoff's continued financial interests in Russia and his vocal admiration for Vladimir Putin (1:13 - 1:55).
The visit to Kyiv: Despite initial doubts about their arrival, Witkoff and Kushner met with President Zelensky (2:21 - 3:21). The narrator describes the atmosphere as "unbelievable" and "awkward," noting that the envoys appeared to apply business-transaction logic to an imperial invasion (3:36 - 4:17, 8:01 - 8:20).
Diplomatic friction: During a press conference, the envoys' responses—which focused on the respectful treatment they received from Putin rather than addressing the war crimes—left many attendees bewildered (6:05 - 6:53). Zelensky appeared visibly frustrated as the envoys discussed the situation in terms of "win-win" business objectives (7:49 - 8:09).
Consequences and Analysis:
Escalating demands: The narrator suggests that Putin feels emboldened and has subsequently increased his territorial demands (10:33 - 11:04).
Perception of the mission: The video concludes that the diplomatic mission failed to achieve progress toward peace, and instead, may have provided Putin with a propaganda victory (11:15 - 12:06).
The visit to Kyiv: Despite initial doubts about their arrival, Witkoff and Kushner met with President Zelensky (2:21 - 3:21). The narrator describes the atmosphere as "unbelievable" and "awkward," noting that the envoys appeared to apply business-transaction logic to an imperial invasion (3:36 - 4:17, 8:01 - 8:20).
Diplomatic friction: During a press conference, the envoys' responses—which focused on the respectful treatment they received from Putin rather than addressing the war crimes—left many attendees bewildered (6:05 - 6:53). Zelensky appeared visibly frustrated as the envoys discussed the situation in terms of "win-win" business objectives (7:49 - 8:09).
Consequences and Analysis:
Escalating demands: The narrator suggests that Putin feels emboldened and has subsequently increased his territorial demands (10:33 - 11:04).
Perception of the mission: The video concludes that the diplomatic mission failed to achieve progress toward peace, and instead, may have provided Putin with a propaganda victory (11:15 - 12:06).
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Cynicism is acceptance
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Re: Ukraine war thread
Thats' what you get when you send a Realtor and a slumlord to do a diplomats job.
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Carney tells Zelenskyy Canada will help Ukraine rebuild
Zelenskyy publicly thanked Canada for:
A “very important package of air defence” — details still under wraps but described as crucial given Ukraine’s shortage of Patriot interceptors.
Canada’s financial, diplomatic, and moral support throughout the war.
Canada’s role as one of Ukraine’s strongest and most consistent allies.
He also said the talks would focus on winter preparation and protecting critical infrastructure from Russian strikes.
What Canada is committing to
Across the reporting, Carney reaffirmed:
New air‑defence support (announcement pending).
Support for Ukraine’s energy systems, especially ahead of winter.
Backing Ukraine’s path to NATO and EU membership.
Long‑term reconstruction, leveraging Canadian expertise in energy, infrastructure, and clean tech.
Canada has already committed over C$25.5 billion in total aid since 2022, including C$8.5 billion in military assistance.
Zelenskyy publicly thanked Canada for:
A “very important package of air defence” — details still under wraps but described as crucial given Ukraine’s shortage of Patriot interceptors.
Canada’s financial, diplomatic, and moral support throughout the war.
Canada’s role as one of Ukraine’s strongest and most consistent allies.
He also said the talks would focus on winter preparation and protecting critical infrastructure from Russian strikes.
Across the reporting, Carney reaffirmed:
New air‑defence support (announcement pending).
Support for Ukraine’s energy systems, especially ahead of winter.
Backing Ukraine’s path to NATO and EU membership.
Long‑term reconstruction, leveraging Canadian expertise in energy, infrastructure, and clean tech.
Canada has already committed over C$25.5 billion in total aid since 2022, including C$8.5 billion in military assistance.
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Re: Ukraine war thread
Drones at the Forefront: Canada recognizes the critical role drones have played in Ukraine's defense (0:35 - 1:03) and intends to make them central to its own largest defense rearmament in 70 years (1:30 - 1:43).
Defense Drone Initiative: Launched earlier this year, this initiative aims to scale up domestic manufacturing to support both the Canadian Armed Forces and the Canadian Coast Guard (1:57 - 2:13).
Three Pillars of Cooperation: The government has outlined three major steps to build sovereign capabilities while supporting Ukraine:
National Drone Marketplace: Creating a system for military units to access nearly 400 trusted Canadian suppliers (2:36 - 3:00). One-third of all drones produced through this plan will be sent to support Ukraine (3:15 - 3:20).
Business-to-Business Ties: Partnering Canadian companies with Ukraine's drone manufacturers to facilitate knowledge transfer from battle-tested developers (3:25 - 3:56).
Nation-to-Nation Partnership: A long-term agreement to jointly produce uncrewed systems, counter-drone technologies, and munitions (4:00 - 4:17).
Thank god we live in Canada!
PM Mark Carney and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sign the Canada-Ukraine Declaration for a 100 year Partnership and the Joint Declaration on Enhancement of the Defence and Security Cooperation between Ukraine and Canada.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy: "We are on the way to a big drone deal. Our teams told us that in 90 days we can have drone deal. Then Mark said, 'Can we have it in nine days?' And the teams immediately said, 'Yes, of course.' Good proposition."
Governments can move fast when they want to.
Defense Drone Initiative: Launched earlier this year, this initiative aims to scale up domestic manufacturing to support both the Canadian Armed Forces and the Canadian Coast Guard (1:57 - 2:13).
Three Pillars of Cooperation: The government has outlined three major steps to build sovereign capabilities while supporting Ukraine:
National Drone Marketplace: Creating a system for military units to access nearly 400 trusted Canadian suppliers (2:36 - 3:00). One-third of all drones produced through this plan will be sent to support Ukraine (3:15 - 3:20).
Business-to-Business Ties: Partnering Canadian companies with Ukraine's drone manufacturers to facilitate knowledge transfer from battle-tested developers (3:25 - 3:56).
Nation-to-Nation Partnership: A long-term agreement to jointly produce uncrewed systems, counter-drone technologies, and munitions (4:00 - 4:17).
Thank god we live in Canada!
PM Mark Carney and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sign the Canada-Ukraine Declaration for a 100 year Partnership and the Joint Declaration on Enhancement of the Defence and Security Cooperation between Ukraine and Canada.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy: "We are on the way to a big drone deal. Our teams told us that in 90 days we can have drone deal. Then Mark said, 'Can we have it in nine days?' And the teams immediately said, 'Yes, of course.' Good proposition."
Governments can move fast when they want to.
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Re: Ukraine war thread
Mark Carney: "Canada has learned the lessons of history. We know that Putin should never be trusted. Every indiscriminate attack, every strike against a hospital, a shopping mall or a residential building, every order given to abduct children bears his signature."
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Germany expels 150 Russian diplomats and their families
Germany reached the decision following the sabotage incident at Leipzig Airport.
Earlier, Russia closed the German Consulate General in St. Petersburg and all Goethe-Institut centers.
Germany reached the decision following the sabotage incident at Leipzig Airport.
Earlier, Russia closed the German Consulate General in St. Petersburg and all Goethe-Institut centers.
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Drone Production: A $350 million deal to build millions of drones over the next two years. Canada is launching a national drone marketplace to provide the Canadian armed forces with access to 400 trusted suppliers, with one-third of the manufactured drones dedicated to supporting Ukraine’s defense (0:20–0:25, 1:15–1:35, 2:21–2:35).
Defense Collaboration: The two countries will jointly produce uncrewed systems, counter-drone technologies, and priority munitions by combining Ukrainian battlefield expertise with Canadian software and AI capabilities (1:41–2:02).
Air Defense: Canada is joining Freya, an anti-ballistic missile defense project initiated by Ukraine designed to intercept fast-moving threats at a lower cost than current American systems (3:15–3:33).
Broader Context:
The partnership framework also covers energy, trade, and the long-term reconstruction of Ukraine (0:01–0:04, 3:44–3:58).
Prime Minister Carney addressed questions regarding trade relations with Donald Trump, emphasizing that current discussions have focused on global grain access and energy rather than commercial disputes (4:06–4:30).
We are joining Freya!! Fuck YA!!!
Defense Collaboration: The two countries will jointly produce uncrewed systems, counter-drone technologies, and priority munitions by combining Ukrainian battlefield expertise with Canadian software and AI capabilities (1:41–2:02).
Air Defense: Canada is joining Freya, an anti-ballistic missile defense project initiated by Ukraine designed to intercept fast-moving threats at a lower cost than current American systems (3:15–3:33).
Broader Context:
The partnership framework also covers energy, trade, and the long-term reconstruction of Ukraine (0:01–0:04, 3:44–3:58).
Prime Minister Carney addressed questions regarding trade relations with Donald Trump, emphasizing that current discussions have focused on global grain access and energy rather than commercial disputes (4:06–4:30).
We are joining Freya!! Fuck YA!!!
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Re: Ukraine war thread
Long-Distance Strikes: Ukraine has set a new record by striking a gas-condensate processing plant in Novi Urengoy, located in the Yamal region, approximately 3,300 km from Ukraine (2:51-3:32). This facility is critical to Russia's gas infrastructure.
Naval Targets: Following attacks on Sochi (1:21) and the port of Makhachkala (8:43), reports confirm damage to several Russian warships in Novorossiysk, including a Buyan-M missile carrier, Admiral Essen, and Admiral Makarov (11:22-13:26).
Economic Decline: Russia faces its worst budget deficit since the collapse of the USSR (23:12), with oil production continuing to fall according to OPEC data (21:35). Additionally, the country is experiencing a severe fuel crisis, notably in St. Petersburg (25:03).
Military Situation: Russian military bloggers report a difficult situation and retreats near Lyman (14:04-15:30), while accounts from soldiers describe heavy losses and poor command decisions (17:15-21:30).
Geopolitical Tensions: The video highlights growing dissent in the Russian-occupied Georgian region of Abkhazia (33:16) and notes North Korea's expansion of its uranium-enrichment facility, allegedly supported by Russian funding (39:08).
Remembering Serhii “Borets” Udut: The video concludes with a tribute to Serhii Udut, an iconic Ukrainian defender who was killed in a recent airstrike (41:18).
Naval Targets: Following attacks on Sochi (1:21) and the port of Makhachkala (8:43), reports confirm damage to several Russian warships in Novorossiysk, including a Buyan-M missile carrier, Admiral Essen, and Admiral Makarov (11:22-13:26).
Economic Decline: Russia faces its worst budget deficit since the collapse of the USSR (23:12), with oil production continuing to fall according to OPEC data (21:35). Additionally, the country is experiencing a severe fuel crisis, notably in St. Petersburg (25:03).
Military Situation: Russian military bloggers report a difficult situation and retreats near Lyman (14:04-15:30), while accounts from soldiers describe heavy losses and poor command decisions (17:15-21:30).
Geopolitical Tensions: The video highlights growing dissent in the Russian-occupied Georgian region of Abkhazia (33:16) and notes North Korea's expansion of its uranium-enrichment facility, allegedly supported by Russian funding (39:08).
Remembering Serhii “Borets” Udut: The video concludes with a tribute to Serhii Udut, an iconic Ukrainian defender who was killed in a recent airstrike (41:18).
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Mark Carney: "When peace comes, we'll not just simply trust and verify, we'll deter and fortify. Deter Russia from thinking that they can ever again threaten Ukraine's and Europe's freedom. Your independence will be our victory too. Slava Ukraini."
And it will come, Russia will be defeated.
And it will come, Russia will be defeated.
It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
Cynicism is acceptance
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