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Canucked wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:30 am You are incorrect. Manufacturers put on a bar code that is for all intents and purposes, the part identification and the materials and other data to verify it complies with ll specifications.

So where does Apple put the barcode reader inside the iPhone that reads the barcode on the display to verify it is authentic? What stops Hoe Q. Public from putting a barcode on a fake part to pass inspction? And do you have to take your phone apart and scan all the barcodes?

It's an RFID chip or an embedded serial number in the part. And it's put there to make sure the manufacturers get paid for parts. Yes, exactly like ink cartridges. It's got nothing to do with specifications. Apple doesn't even manufacture their own parts, that's Foxconn.

Canucked wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:30 am Again, incorrect, Militarys of the world are consumers, not manufacturers. The restrictions, if any, are put on by governments and they control who can buy the product.

Because no military ever has had a motor pool? No one has ever get a lathe and made their own gun parts in a garage? That's why the RFID tag was invented. For inventory control. I shouldn't have to call out a John Deere technician to flash the computer of my tractor when I change the air filter, but I do.

Canucked wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:30 am Reverse engineering goes on all the time but, if there is a patent, then it cannot be sold anywhere. If you want to buy counterfeit pars, yo can do so but, military, aviation and vehicles are protected by laws on what can or cannot be used on them. If you use counterfeit parts, then your liability is zero.

Protip - Patents and Militarises are both in place because Governments. If a military wants to invalidate copyright or a patent, they will. And it's legal. National security always trumps everything else.

Canucked wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:30 am Militarys are very much aware and concerned about counterfeit parts and a great deal of effort is made to prevent using them. Everything we buy has a maintenance requirement and service interval. But, the parts we use on them is very controlled. Not like your car or home...you can put on what you want but, if something goes wrong and a part is not certified, you will not be insured.
Patent laws protect the proprietorship of items.

We aren't talking counterfeit, we are talking "right to repair". My ability to lift the hood on my new submarine and change the oil without permission from the manufacturer. Kind of important for a military.

al_keda wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 3:10 pm

Canucked wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:30 am You are incorrect. Manufacturers put on a bar code that is for all intents and purposes, the part identification and the materials and other data to verify it complies with ll specifications.

So where does Apple put the barcode reader inside the iPhone that reads the barcode on the display to verify it is authentic? What stops Hoe Q. Public from putting a barcode on a fake part to pass inspction? And do you have to take your phone apart and scan all the barcodes?

It's an RFID chip or an embedded serial number in the part. And it's put there to make sure the manufacturers get paid for parts. Yes, exactly like ink cartridges. It's got nothing to do with specifications. Apple doesn't even manufacture their own parts, that's Foxconn.

Canucked wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:30 am Again, incorrect, Militarys of the world are consumers, not manufacturers. The restrictions, if any, are put on by governments and they control who can buy the product.

Because no military ever has had a motor pool? No one has ever get a lathe and made their own gun parts in a garage? That's why the RFID tag was invented. For inventory control. I shouldn't have to call out a John Deere technician to flash the computer of my tractor when I change the air filter, but I do.

Canucked wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:30 am Reverse engineering goes on all the time but, if there is a patent, then it cannot be sold anywhere. If you want to buy counterfeit pars, yo can do so but, military, aviation and vehicles are protected by laws on what can or cannot be used on them. If you use counterfeit parts, then your liability is zero.

Protip - Patents and Militarises are both in place because Governments. If a military wants to invalidate copyright or a patent, they will. And it's legal. National security always trumps everything else.

Canucked wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:30 am Militarys are very much aware and concerned about counterfeit parts and a great deal of effort is made to prevent using them. Everything we buy has a maintenance requirement and service interval. But, the parts we use on them is very controlled. Not like your car or home...you can put on what you want but, if something goes wrong and a part is not certified, you will not be insured.
Patent laws protect the proprietorship of items.

We aren't talking counterfeit, we are talking "right to repair". My ability to lift the hood on my new submarine and change the oil without permission from the manufacturer. Kind of important for a military.

Apple serializes important components within as do manufacturers that make very small intricate products.

Motor pool? That is where they keep vehicles they buy. I was in the military and have often used equipment from the motor pool. They do not make gun pars in a vehicle motor pool LOL And yes, they have a lathe but to make non propriety parts.


Actually, patents are in place for companies and companies patent products to protect themselves and their products.

Yes we are talking about counterfeits. . Right to repair is what is in the maintenance manual that comes with the product and it is repair procedure using company proprietary parts. If you do not use their parts, then you are using counterfeit parts.

What is important is that you should not speak of thing you know nothing or little about

Canucked wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:37 pm Apple serializes important components within as do manufacturers that make very small intricate products.

And it's not with a barcode. You can tell that just by looking at an iPhone. No barcode.

Canucked wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:37 pm Motor pool? That is where they keep vehicles they buy. I was in the military and have often used equipment from the motor pool. They do not make gun pars in a vehicle motor pool LOL And yes, they have a lathe but to make non propriety parts.

It's a good thing that I didn't write that, isn't it? lol

Canucked wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:37 pm Actually, patents are in place for companies and companies patent products to protect themselves and their products.

And patents are granted by governments, who can ungrant them.

Canucked wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:37 pm Yes we are talking about counterfeits. . Right to repair is what is in the maintenance manual that comes with the product and it is repair procedure using company proprietary parts. If you do not use their parts, then you are using counterfeit parts.

No, you are talking about counterfeits. I am talking about the right for the Canadian military being able to repair their own equipment without the manufacturer's blessing. "Counterfeit" is just the way the manufacturers frame their argument nowadays. We both know a Motorcraft sparkplug is not better than Bosch, and the Bosch is not 'counterfeit'.

But if Ford requires you to use their parts or the car does not run, then the car never was yours, it's theirs.

Canucked wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:37 pm What is important is that you should not speak of thing you know nothing or little about

Ironic. You aren't even sure about the argument we are having. Let me demonstrate:

US farmers win right to repair John Deere equipment

Tractor maker John Deere has agreed to give its US customers the right to fix their own equipment.

Previously, farmers were only allowed to use authorised parts and service facilities rather than cheaper independent repair options.

John Deere tractors 'bricked' after Rus ... om Ukraine

https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/02/ukrainian_tractors_deere/ wrote:Millions of dollars worth of John Deere agricultural machinery stolen from a dealership in Ukraine by Russian Federation forces has been traced to the Chechen Republic and bricked, it is reported.

=https://www.businessinsider.com/chechen ... 024-9?op=1
=A Russian warlord who seemingly put a ... tarized EV

Ramzan Kadyrov, who last month claimed the pickup was a gift from Musk and suggested he might send it into war against Ukraine, accused the billionaire of "behaving badly" and not being "manly" after the modified Cybertruck was "remotely disabled."

So, if the Canadian military buys equipment from South Korea, and they cannot repair that equipment, do they really own it? It has nothing to do with any specifications or proprietary information. It's about ownership. If the manufacturer can remotely disable it, you don't own it.

I deal with this kind of bullshit all the time, from what the computer I bought and built can do, to what stereo I can put in my own car that I bought. or replacing the cracked screen on my phone. It's not about specifications or parts quality, its about the manufacturer forcing me to buy parts at whatever part they say at whatever inflated price they demand. Remember, they don't make their own parts, likely it's Foxconn.

al_keda wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 6:19 pm

Canucked wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:37 pm Apple serializes important components within as do manufacturers that make very small intricate products.

And it's not with a barcode. You can tell that just by looking at an iPhone. No barcode.

Canucked wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:37 pm Motor pool? That is where they keep vehicles they buy. I was in the military and have often used equipment from the motor pool. They do not make gun pars in a vehicle motor pool LOL And yes, they have a lathe but to make non propriety parts.

It's a good thing that I didn't write that, isn't it? lol

Canucked wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:37 pm Actually, patents are in place for companies and companies patent products to protect themselves and their products.

And patents are granted by governments, who can ungrant them.

Canucked wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:37 pm Yes we are talking about counterfeits. . Right to repair is what is in the maintenance manual that comes with the product and it is repair procedure using company proprietary parts. If you do not use their parts, then you are using counterfeit parts.

No, you are talking about counterfeits. I am talking about the right for the Canadian military being able to repair their own equipment without the manufacturer's blessing. "Counterfeit" is just the way the manufacturers frame their argument nowadays. We both know a Motorcraft sparkplug is not better than Bosch, and the Bosch is not 'counterfeit'.

But if Ford requires you to use their parts or the car does not run, then the car never was yours, it's theirs.

Canucked wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:37 pm What is important is that you should not speak of thing you know nothing or little about

Ironic. You aren't even sure about the argument we are having. Let me demonstrate:

US farmers win right to repair John Deere equipment

Tractor maker John Deere has agreed to give its US customers the right to fix their own equipment.

Previously, farmers were only allowed to use authorised parts and service facilities rather than cheaper independent repair options.

John Deere tractors 'bricked' after Rus ... om Ukraine

https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/02/ukrainian_tractors_deere/ wrote:Millions of dollars worth of John Deere agricultural machinery stolen from a dealership in Ukraine by Russian Federation forces has been traced to the Chechen Republic and bricked, it is reported.

=https://www.businessinsider.com/chechen ... 024-9?op=1
=A Russian warlord who seemingly [b]put ... tarized EV

Ramzan Kadyrov, who last month claimed the pickup was a gift from Musk and suggested he might send it into war against Ukraine, accused the billionaire of "behaving badly" and not being "manly" after the modified Cybertruck was "remotely disabled."

So, if the Canadian military buys equipment from South Korea, and they cannot repair that equipment, do they really own it? It has nothing to do with any specifications or proprietary information. It's about ownership. If the manufacturer can remotely disable it, you don't own it.

I deal with this kind of bullshit all the time, from what the computer I bought and built can do, to what stereo I can put in my own car that I bought. or replacing the cracked screen on my phone. It's not about specifications or parts quality, its about the manufacturer forcing me to buy parts at whatever part they say at whatever inflated price they demand. Remember, they don't make their own parts, likely it's Foxconn.

You keep on with tractors and a cyber truck....the topic is Canadian Military LOL
Yes, if Canada buys from Korea they own it but, they do not own the propriety rights to it. They can fix it with authorized parts.
You fixing your devices with unauthorized parts is your responsibility but if you need the device OEM support and they find you have unauthorized parts on it...you get no support.
You are just pissed that the OEM prices but, you fail to understand the rigorous testing and incurring the specifications and requirements are up to the OEM standards. Like buying pure silver knives and forks or silver plated. On is real, the other is phony and worth less.
My family is in the automotive business and customers do not like the OEM prices so they go to a jobber and get the parts for cheap and come to our shop to have them installed. We do it but they get no warranty on the parts or the labour. They come back after a few months and tell us the part filed and we say, well, you bought after market parts and have no warranty, you need to get more parts and have them installed or let us put in OEM parts and you get 2 year warranty.

The lessons of the tractor, the Tesla and the cell phone all apply to the Canadian Military. If you don't have the right to repair it, you don't own it. If an F-35 gets bricked in mid air, you never owned it and you lost the battle without firing a shot.

al_keda wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 7:36 pm The lessons of the tractor, the Tesla and the cell phone all apply to the Canadian Military. If you don't have the right to repair it, you don't own it. If an F-35 gets bricked in mid air, you never owned it and you lost the battle without firing a shot.

Of course you have the right to repair them....but if using unapproved parts, you lose any warranty or, in the case of aircraft, they are not airworthy and you cannot fly them.
An F35 gets bricked?? What does that mean? We have lost many aircraft in training or just flying around and they crashed and yes, we owned them.
I really do not know what you are trying to say or imply. I really do not think you know what you are talking about.