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Costco just filed a lawsuit that could blow up Trump's signature economic policy, and most people don't realize how catastrophic this could become.

This isn't about whether tariffs are good or bad policy.

This is about a legal time bomb that could force the administration to refund hundreds of billions of dollars and trigger economic chaos.

Here's what's happening.

Costco and dozens of other companies are suing the Trump administration not just to challenge the tariffs, but to protect their right to refunds if the Supreme Court eventually rules the tariffs were illegally imposed.

The twist is they're not waiting for the Supreme Court to rule first.

They're filing preemptively because of an obscure customs deadline called "liquidation" that could permanently lock in their tariff payments even if the court later declares those tariffs unconstitutional.

Think about that for a second.

You could be forced to pay a tax, the government could be told that tax was illegal, and you still might not get your money back because of a procedural deadline.

That's exactly what Costco is trying to avoid.

The company notes in its lawsuit that under current customs rules, once entries are "liquidated," meaning the final tariff computation is complete, importers may lose their legal right to recover refunds even if the underlying tariff is later found unlawful.

There's a December 15 deadline looming that could do exactly that.

This is unprecedented because companies usually wait for court rulings before filing refund claims.

But the stakes are so high and the legal landscape so uncertain that major corporations are jumping in now.

Costco is just the biggest name so far.

Revlon, Kawasaki Motors, and dozens of smaller businesses have filed similar lawsuits in recent weeks.

If Costco wins any injunction or gets any relief whatsoever, it's open season.

Every retailer, every importer, every company in America that's been paying these tariffs will have a roadmap to sue.

The Trump administration has built its entire economic strategy around tariffs.

This isn't a side issue or a minor policy experiment.

Tariffs are generating tens of billions of dollars per month.

They're central to the administration's claims about economic strength, negotiating leverage with China and other trading partners, and funding priorities without raising income taxes.

Trump has literally suggested eliminating federal income tax entirely and replacing that revenue with tariff collections.

Now imagine the Supreme Court rules against the administration.

Not only would future tariff collections stop, but the government would have to refund every dollar already collected.

We're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars that have already been spent, already allocated, already baked into budget projections.

The administration would have to find that money somewhere, and it's not like there's a rainy day fund sitting around.

Federal deficits are already at historic highs.

The bond market would freak out. Interest rates would spike.

Wall Street would face immediate chaos trying to reprice everything based on a suddenly massive hole in government revenues.

The White House knows this.

Their statement on the Costco lawsuit basically admits it, saying "the economic consequences of the failure to uphold Trump's lawful tariffs are enormous."

That's not spin. That's an acknowledgment that this could be catastrophic.

What makes this even more significant is the timing and the legal arguments.

Lower courts have already ruled against the administration multiple times, finding that Trump didn't have authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to unilaterally impose these tariffs.

The Supreme Court heard arguments on November 5 and put the case on a fast-tracked schedule, but hasn't said when they'll rule.

During those oral arguments, several key justices appeared skeptical of the administration's position.

They're letting the tariffs stay in place while they decide, but the legal tea leaves aren't looking great for Trump.

This puts the administration in an impossible position.

They can't back down on tariffs without admitting their entire economic strategy was built on shaky legal ground.

But they also can't stop the lawsuits, and every day that passes with companies paying tariffs under protest is another day of potential refund liability if the Supreme Court rules against them.

The tariff debate has always been about who really pays.

Trump argues other countries pay through lost exports and negotiating concessions.

Others argue American consumers and businesses pay through higher prices.

The Costco lawsuit exposes a third possibility that nobody really considered: American taxpayers might end up paying for all of it through a massive budget crisis if the legal foundation collapses.

Costco has tried to navigate the tariff situation as well as any major retailer.

The company has rerouted products, front-loaded inventory purchases, consolidated suppliers, and selectively absorbed costs on important items like pineapples and bananas while raising prices on less essential goods like flowers.

Their CFO said earlier this year they're "doing everything we can" to mitigate the impact.

But even with all those strategies, Costco is now going to court because the uncertainty has become untenable.

That tells you everything about where we are.

When one of America's most successful retailers with legendary pricing discipline decides the legal risk is too high to just wait and see what happens, that's a signal.

This isn't political posturing. This is corporate survival.

The Supreme Court will rule eventually, probably within weeks or months given the accelerated schedule.

But the damage is already being done.

Every company that files one of these protective lawsuits is publicly betting that Trump might lose.

Every dollar of tariffs collected under these circumstances becomes a potential refund liability.

The longer this drags on, the bigger the potential crisis becomes.

Trump put everything on the line with this tariff policy.

If it survives legal scrutiny, he'll claim vindication and point to the economic metrics he wants people to focus on.

If it doesn't, we're looking at potentially the biggest economic policy reversal in modern American history, with consequences that could define the rest of his presidency and reverberate through financial markets for years.

The Costco lawsuit isn't just another legal challenge to another Trump policy.

It's a stress test of whether the entire tariff strategy can survive contact with constitutional reality.

And right now, major corporations are preparing for the possibility that it can't.
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massive 155-page report on the FBI, leaked to the NY Post finds that the FBI Under Kash Patel is a “rudderless ship” and “all f–ked up.”

It also covers this embarrassing story about
@Kash_Patel
:

The day after Kirk was assassinated, Patel flew into Provo, Utah, on the FBI jet but “would not disembark from the plane without an FBI raid jacket,” according to ALPHA 99, a “highly respected” source who has served in the FBI for multiple decades.

“Patel apparently did not have his own FBI raid jacket with him and refused to step from the plane without wearing one,” according to the report.

FBI special agents at the Salt Lake City field office busy working on the Kirk case “had to stop and ask around to find an FBI raid jacket — a medium-sized one — that would fit.”

When a jacket belonging to a female agent was delivered to Patel on the plane, he complained that “two areas on the upper sleeves did not have Velcro patches attached.”

Patel is also described as:

“creating a culture of mistrust and uncertainty among the ranks.”

“spending too much time on social media and public relations”

“has neither the breadth of experience nor the bearing an FBI director needs to be successful.”

“in over his head”[/url]
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The Pentagon just blew up the White House’s entire cover story.

Press Secretary Kingsley Wilson openly confirmed that the Caribbean strikes,including the follow-on strike that hit survivors, were “presidentially directed” and fully backed by Pete Hegseth.

No more hiding behind “rogue commanders.”

No more blaming the Navy.

No more pretending Hegseth “didn’t know.”

“The Secretary and the President are the ones directing these strikes… the Secretary 100% agrees with.”

This puts Trump and Hegseth directly on the hook for the operation the Senate and House are now investigating as a potential war crime.
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