This is the most important day in Europe right now
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This is the most important day in Europe right now
Anti-Russian Sentiment: The video documents widespread public anger regarding Russian influence in Hungarian politics and media . This tension is framed against the historical trauma of the 1956 revolution and subsequent Soviet occupation
Allegations of Foreign Influence: The reporter investigates the presence of Russian intelligence operatives within the Russian embassy in Budapest, suggesting that Russian power has shifted from overt military control to more clandestine, "quiet" forms of influence
Public Discontent and Opposition: Through interviews with voters and activists, the video highlights a collective feeling of desperation and a longing for democratic accountability. Many attendees at opposition events express a desire to see Hungary realign more firmly with the European Union and Western values
The Contrast in Political Momentum: The report highlights a striking difference between the massive, energetic opposition rallies and the noticeably lower-energy, "funeral-like" final speech given by Viktor Orbán
Orbán's Response: Robertson analyzes Orbán's final campaign speech, characterizing it as a defensive performance where the Prime Minister deflects blame for economic decline and corruption onto external factors like the war in Ukraine and Brussels, rather than taking personal responsibility
This is a Berlin wall moment.
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Re: This is the most important day in Europe right now
I still can't believe he conceded! A great day!
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Re: This is the most important day in Europe right now
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Re: This is the most important day in Europe right now
Netanyahu sent his son to campaign for Orbán. Netanyahu sent a personal video to Orbán's rally. Orbán just lost by 14 points, the biggest landslide in Hungarian democratic history.
Why did Netanyahu care so much?
Because Orbán was the only EU leader who vetoed sanctions on Israel. Every single time. That veto is gone. The ICC withdrawal is reversed.
The EU firewall is dead.
Israel's own Ynet News headline, two days ago: "If Orbán falls, Israel could lose its EU firewall." He didn't just fall.
He was buried.
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Re: This is the most important day in Europe right now
Lots of weird takes on the Hungarian election result from both left and right here.
Peter Magyar is a socially conservative immigration restrictionist who wants to cut taxes and double the defence budget. He criticized Orban for admitting too many guest workers, and wants to increase Hungary's already generous pro-natal incentives.
On virtually every issue, his platform is well to the right of centre, by European standards.
His foreign policy is to end Orban's alliance with Putin, remove the Hungarian veto on EU loans to Ukraine, normalize relations with the European Union while opposing more Euro integration, and strengthen relations with Eastern Europe's anti-Russian governments, e.g. Poland.
His election was not a sudden shift to the left, but a rejection of Orban's corruption, the failure of his interventionist / statist economic policies, and the humiliation of his relationship with Putin.
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Re: This is the most important day in Europe right now
THANK YOU JD VANCE!
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Re: This is the most important day in Europe right now
The collective meltdown among most at the far right regarding Péter Magyar's resounding victory in Hungary is probably the most telling moment you will see regarding the so-called "conservative" or "patriotic" movements across the globe. I will elaborate:
Péter Magyar is not a lefty or woke. His ideology is center-right. Tisza will partially follow an even harsher immigration policy and continue some decisions made under Orban, e.g. opposing the EU migration and asylum pact, a core demand of many of the far-right figures. Magyar himself describes his movement a "renewal", not a "revolution".
So why the meltdown? The answer is so unmasking. Péter Magyar and Tisza are no Russian puppets. They haven't forgotten what Soviet-Russia did in 1956. They made a clear stand against the Russian aggressions, both of those in the past and today.
Furthermore, the system of rampant corruption Orban and his allies have built is not limited to Hungary. It has deep ties to foreign actors. It is obvious that it will reveal some very interesting money streams coming from East and West. So, we are not talking about Hungary alone, but an international network of right-wing movements actively collaborating.
Most of those right-wing movements bemoan this development, and this development alone. It unmasks that their political leaning of being "conservative" was but a sharade. It was only about money and a deeply corrupt network benefiting them, with money streams coming from Russia and elsewhere.
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