Proposed Alberta separation referendum question approved
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Can't reason with zealots you can only deprogram them.
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Re: Proposed Alberta separation referendum question approved
Federalism vs. Separatism: The creator discusses Pierre Poilievre's stance on maintaining a united Canada and expresses agreement with the idea of a strong Alberta within a united country (0:00-0:34).
UCP Internal Politics & Cabinet Shuffle: The creator touches upon rumors regarding the recent cabinet shuffle, suggesting potential friction within the party over separatism (1:10-1:34).
Critique of Finance Minister: There is significant criticism directed at the appointment of the new finance minister, citing past controversies regarding his management of disability benefits and his conduct during committee meetings (1:45-3:14).
Historical Perspective: The creator reflects on the political climate in Alberta 10–11 years ago, arguing that the current separation movement is a relatively recent development fueled by those currently in power (3:31-4:01).
The creator concludes by expressing deep concern that the current political direction is detrimental to Alberta.
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Re: Proposed Alberta separation referendum question approved
The Referendum Situation: Alberta Premier Danielle Smith is under pressure regarding a potential referendum on separatism (0:00 - 0:28). While a special committee recommended a question—"do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?"—the panel describes the situation as "total madness," noting that creating such uncertainty may deter foreign investment and harm the economy (1:36 - 2:08, 12:30 - 13:30).
The Political Tightrope: The panel observes that Premier Smith is caught between a "rock and a hard place." She is facing backlash from federalists for enabling separatist sentiment, while simultaneously risking the anger of the separatist faction within her own party if she pushes for a "softer" referendum question (3:09 - 3:20, 5:05 - 5:25).
Conservative Response: Federal Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has publicly committed to campaigning across Alberta to keep the province within the "Canadian family," positioning himself as a strong federalist (0:33 - 1:04).
Broader Implications & Risks: The panelists draw parallels to Brexit and the Quebec referendums of 1980 and 1995, highlighting the unpredictable and potentially divisive nature of such votes (6:26 - 7:00, 16:10 - 16:50). They also discuss concerns regarding foreign interference, the role of algorithms, and potential influence from American actors in the current media landscape (14:10 - 14:40, 17:45 -
This is David Cameron's Brexit all over again. Except this time the leader isn't trying to placate the rabblerouser's to hold on to his leadership and failing spectacularly, she is ONE OF THEM AND SHE IS TRYING TO STEAL ALBERTA TO BE A GOVERNOR OF A FOREIGN STATE. Smith is a traitor and should be hung for her crimes.
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I love that the UCP did a press release on a board vote before the vote happened.
It's beautiful. They aren't even pretending to be democratic.
And the referendum question will be an 'or' question. How does that work? 'Leave Canada, or become an independent state?'
It's beautiful. They aren't even pretending to be democratic.
And the referendum question will be an 'or' question. How does that work? 'Leave Canada, or become an independent state?'
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Re: Proposed Alberta separation referendum question approved
Alberta Separatism and Premier Danielle Smith (0:00 - 9:41):
The panel discusses Premier Danielle Smith's new political maneuver: a referendum on whether or not to hold a referendum regarding Alberta's place in Canada.
Analysts view this as a "third option" designed to appease the separatist wing of her party while avoiding a direct confrontation or a binding separation vote, which would trigger the Clarity Act.
The panel critiques the strategy as convoluted, questioning whether it will actually resolve internal party tensions or merely exacerbate political instability.
2. Energy Ambitions and Provincial Friction (9:41 - 17:04):
The discussion shifts to the friction between the federal government and provinces like British Columbia over energy infrastructure and environmental policy.
While Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has signaled a willingness to bypass provinces that stall development, the panel notes that this creates a difficult dynamic for premiers like David Eby, who must balance economic development with environmental and electoral considerations.
3. Canada-US Trade and Defense Tensions (17:04 - 22:35):
The panel examines strained Canada-US relations, highlighted by US delays regarding a cross-border bridge and the cooling of long-standing bilateral defense cooperation groups.
Analysts debate whether the US rhetoric is intended to pressure Canada on defense spending and procurement, or if it reflects a broader shift in North American strategic alignment.
It's a referendum to hold a referendum AND IT'S NON-BINDING! IE It's Brexit redux.
People who ride tigers end up inside them.
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Re: Proposed Alberta separation referendum question approved
The Premier of Alberta intervened to lower the threshold for getting a separatist question on the ballot. She then intervened to eliminate a review requiring the question be constitutional. She intervenes again tonight after yet another court has told the separatists to slow down and follow the law.
The premier can wrap these actions in the words of democracy, but she is willfully ignoring the will of the vast majority of Albertans who want no part of this separatist conversation.
The simple reality, a reality you would not find in her speech, is this: she has pushed along a question because a group has threatened to bring down her and her party if she does not.
Her internal political problems have become our national crisis.
The Premier asserts her patriotism. I will take her at her word, but I will remind her a patriot puts country ahead of party. A leader steers the agenda, rather than having it blindly dictated to them. An Albertan finds ways to do what’s right, not justifications for doing what’s wrong.
This baffling, referendum-on-a-referendum question will do nothing to settle anything. It adds another layer of confusion. It will divide. It will distract. It will damage.
I hope her government will consider how to step back from this madness before the damage to our province’s social fabric and economy is too great.
Corey Hogan MP
Calgary Confederation
Sadly, the damage is already done. Who in their right mind would invest in Alberta at this point?
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In other news water is wet.
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Re: Proposed Alberta separation referendum question approved
Christy Clark: "If this should succeed, Danielle Smith will go down as probably the worst premier Canada has ever had. If it fails, she'll go down as someone who got lucky and got out of there with their skin intact and certainly still isn't qualified to be the premier of a province."
And that's coming from Clark! HAHAHAHHAHAHAH
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