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Early Days, But Smart Money Says Alberta's Pipeline Gets Built

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Analysts note that Alberta appears to be routing the pipeline through communities more supportive of industrial development, even though cheaper alternatives exist.
What a load of total steaming shit.
We're all for economic development but not an oilt pipeline. Nobody along the toute supported the Gaeway proposal. no town, no Band. Even the Smithers Chamber og Commerce took down their pro billnoard.
Conservative lies, lies and more lies, nothing but lies/

There's a multi-villion $ TMX route that Justin paid for, that in years bo one stepped up to take over. The route is there, and a new pipe(s) could be laid alongside it for a fee that would recover some of the cost and be far less than building a new route. And port expansion where it is far less expensive than to buils up North from scratch.

It seems Danielle remains intent on shoving a pipeline up our ass simply to OWN the BC greenies,
She ain't no UCP real Conservatives focus on cost and ROI
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She's focused on her masters and what job they will give her once her scandals catch up to her sand she finally resigns.
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New oil pipeline will travel through Kamloops on existing Trans Mountain route: Carney
Prime Minister Mark Carney said the federal and Alberta governments have agreed that the best route for the new West Coast pipeline is the one that already exists — the Trans Mountain corridor running from Edmonton through Kamloops to the Lower Mainland.

Carney emphasized:

- The new line will be built by Trans Mountain Corp, with Pembina Pipeline providing private‑sector expertise.
- Indigenous consultations along the route will begin immediately.
- The southern route is now the only viable option after Ottawa and B.C. formally upheld the North Coast tanker ban, eliminating any northern pipeline proposals.

Kamloops becomes a major construction hub again:

The pipeline will physically run through the city, using the same corridor built and expanded during the Trans Mountain twinning project.

That earlier expansion brought $450 million in direct spending to the Kamloops area and $40 million in worker spending during peak years (2022–2023).

Local officials expect years of new construction work and significant economic activity once this project begins.
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The Northern tanker ban stays in place, the TMX route gets reused.
Just like I proposed as the common sense option long ago. Surprise! The govt used their heads for once.
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Next Churchill.
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Key pillars of the $200B Pacific strategy include:

LNG Expansion: Ottawa and British Columbia have committed to accelerating four major LNG projects to tap into the growing Asian energy market, which expects a 60% increase in demand by 2040 (0:56-2:47).
Infrastructure Investment: To support these exports, Canada is investing in critical infrastructure, including the $3.9 billion North Coast transmission line, the Red Chris mine expansion for copper production, and major upgrades to the Port of Vancouver (2:47-4:44).
Strategic Partnership with the Philippines: Canada has formed a new strategic partnership with the Philippines to unlock trade access to the $5 trillion ASEAN market, aiming to complete a free trade agreement by the end of 2026 (4:44-6:36).
Alberta-BC Pipeline Deal: In a rare cross-provincial compromise, Alberta and BC have agreed to a proposal for a new pipeline to move heavy crude to the Pacific coast. The route respects BC's environmental conditions, such as the tanker ban, while allowing Alberta access to Asian markets (6:36-10:42).
The overarching goal is to integrate these components—resources, infrastructure, and trade relationships—into a single, resilient economic system that functions independently of Washington's political influence (11:09-11:41).
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Seems that Carney talked some sense into Smith who seemed more focused on forcing BC to submit than to achieve the objective of exporting oil. Insisting on a Northern route until the last minute that required cancelling the tanker ban, endangering a pristine river valley, denying the rights of Natives, over ruling the wishes of that route's residents and allow her to pretend Alberta is more important than any other province in the nation.

A similar deal could have been done with Justin Trudeau had she dropped the political bullshit and partisan hatred of the guy.
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Carney's "Bluff" Strategy: Fawcett argues that Carney is not truly committed to a massive expansion of the oil sector but is instead practicing high-level political maneuvering. By "violently agreeing" with Premier Danielle Smith's demands for pipelines and deregulation, Carney is shifting the burden of proof to the industry, knowing that market conditions and risk-aversion will likely lead them to decline the project regardless of government approval (0:00 - 3:24).
Energy Transition and Markets: The discussion explores why Canadian oil companies—highly risk-averse and focused on share buybacks—are unlikely to finance massive greenfield projects. Factors like increasing electrification in Asia, the shift toward domestic energy sovereignty, and the potential for a market glut suggest the business case for a new pipeline is weak (5:48 - 8:52, 14:25 - 16:23).
Political Context: The conversation touches on the appointment of Tim Hodgson as Minister of Natural Resources, framing him as a "dealmaker" meant to appease the industry while the federal government continues working on electrification and carbon market initiatives behind the scenes (12:50 - 15:00).
Electrification Realities: They discuss data suggesting Canada is currently lagging in electrification, arguing that simply building infrastructure like interties is a necessary first step (21:00 - 24:45).
Future Outlook: Fawcett notes that Danielle Smith's pursuit of multiple pipeline corridors (including to Sarnia and Port Churchill) creates significant political pressure, but ultimately, the economics of the oil sands—specifically the difference between low-cost brownfield production and expensive greenfield projects—will dictate the outcome, not political promises (28:45 - 34:00).


I think that Carney sees full well what Smith and pp are and have played them for fools. He has locked in Smith to a deal she can't get out of because her own base would eat her alive if she did. He has also forced serious stakeholders to sit at the table and thus will be forced to cop to the needs of their shareholders. This is where rhetoric hits reality and Carney already knows which way it is going to break. This will bring to heel at last the oil and gas industry that had a free hand in regulatory capture but they can't outsmart the market. Cheap renewables with long term battery storage is going to out produce oil and gas and the endless money spigot of oil and gas is coming to an end as Asia switches to electric over oil simply for practical reasons. The window on LNG will be short and the market will bring that reality into focus that dumb slogans can't paper over.
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As reported by a former UCP MLA, tat one quarter to one third of the UCP causcus is critical of Danielle's pipeline deal.
Because:
It does not jam an unpopular project down BF's throat.
The oil, which it will flow after years of pipeline construction, will take 36 hours longer to get to Asia.
There are carbon capture conditions


anything to obstruct, delay, reverse environmental policy and 'own the woke' is better than actual results.
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